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some_stars) wrote2011-03-16 01:30 am
some_stars) wrote2011-03-16 01:30 am
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more glee crap
the more I think about it, the more impressed and affected I am by that Quinn and Rachel scene. Needless to say, many people on the internet are interpreting it as "Quinn is a bitch, she's using Finn, she's so mean to Rachel, she should die in a fire." But it was such an amazing moment. I don't think Quinn realized, until that scene, how much resignation was behind her prom queen aspirations, how much frantic grabbing for anything she can hold on to while she still can.
something about, idk. The way the F/Q relationship started with that development in 2x11, that felt like the beginnings of actual friendship to me, and then...ended up with her doing the world's most unconvincing voiceover about "first loves never die," and yes, using him. The actual steps in between are pretty opaque, because Glee is Glee, but when I realized where she was at this episode it FELT right. (Not least because it felt like they might actually realize that the F13 F/Q relationship was not love, and not healthy.)
And--those three steps, in this episode. The voiceover shot of her with the tiaras; getting on Finn about them becoming prom monarchs; telling Rachel what's going to happen with their lives. They were actual steps, they led to each other. And I think Quinn realized--fully realized, for the first time--why she was doing what she was doing when she was faced with Rachel asking her straight out. Somehow her response isn't to tear Rachel down--not really--it's the most vicious pep talk ever given, about how Quinn's never going to have anything better or more meaningful than Finn and a life in Lima, and Rachel doesn't fit into that story because it's too small for her.
I can't imagine Quinn sitting down and planning that speech, or being aware it's what she was going to say more than about thirty seconds in advance. It's so revealing and vulnerable--of course, couched in the most aggressive and cruel way possible, and obviously Rachel didn't really hear any of it, which, fair enough, it totally sucked for her. But I'm kind of pissed off, if unsurprised, that most of the audience didn't really hear it either. I mean, she was CRYING. She was laying out this supposedly ideal future, like she meant to rub it in Rachel's face, and saying it made her cry. Quinn is not happy, and winning Finn and prom queen isn't going to make her happy, and I think now she knows that--or, is aware, because she's pretty clearly known on some level since she decided to get back together with him.
It remains to be seen, of course, if the writers will pick up on any of this or care enough to address it. Odds are not great, but I'm pretty bowled over we got this much development and motivation in the first place so who knows.
the more I think about it, the more impressed and affected I am by that Quinn and Rachel scene. Needless to say, many people on the internet are interpreting it as "Quinn is a bitch, she's using Finn, she's so mean to Rachel, she should die in a fire." But it was such an amazing moment. I don't think Quinn realized, until that scene, how much resignation was behind her prom queen aspirations, how much frantic grabbing for anything she can hold on to while she still can.
something about, idk. The way the F/Q relationship started with that development in 2x11, that felt like the beginnings of actual friendship to me, and then...ended up with her doing the world's most unconvincing voiceover about "first loves never die," and yes, using him. The actual steps in between are pretty opaque, because Glee is Glee, but when I realized where she was at this episode it FELT right. (Not least because it felt like they might actually realize that the F13 F/Q relationship was not love, and not healthy.)
And--those three steps, in this episode. The voiceover shot of her with the tiaras; getting on Finn about them becoming prom monarchs; telling Rachel what's going to happen with their lives. They were actual steps, they led to each other. And I think Quinn realized--fully realized, for the first time--why she was doing what she was doing when she was faced with Rachel asking her straight out. Somehow her response isn't to tear Rachel down--not really--it's the most vicious pep talk ever given, about how Quinn's never going to have anything better or more meaningful than Finn and a life in Lima, and Rachel doesn't fit into that story because it's too small for her.
I can't imagine Quinn sitting down and planning that speech, or being aware it's what she was going to say more than about thirty seconds in advance. It's so revealing and vulnerable--of course, couched in the most aggressive and cruel way possible, and obviously Rachel didn't really hear any of it, which, fair enough, it totally sucked for her. But I'm kind of pissed off, if unsurprised, that most of the audience didn't really hear it either. I mean, she was CRYING. She was laying out this supposedly ideal future, like she meant to rub it in Rachel's face, and saying it made her cry. Quinn is not happy, and winning Finn and prom queen isn't going to make her happy, and I think now she knows that--or, is aware, because she's pretty clearly known on some level since she decided to get back together with him.
It remains to be seen, of course, if the writers will pick up on any of this or care enough to address it. Odds are not great, but I'm pretty bowled over we got this much development and motivation in the first place so who knows.
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But only one woman is allowed to be a real person at a time on this show, so of course not. (Well, "real" meaning "incredibly sexist writing but is allowed up to three personality traits rather than the usual one, and her storyline is actually followed across multiple episodes usually.")
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I want THIS VERSION OF THE SHOW.